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East St improvements - What on Earth?

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By Kaptain_Von at 18:15 on 03/04/10

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    Earlier I went for a wander down East St to pick up some shopping. The first thing I noticed was that the road is now apparently open again. The next thing I noticed was what has been done. Have they actually finished the 'renovation'? The road is crossed by strips of shoddily done tarmac (between Butts and the Salvation army shop they appear to have run out of tarmac at the edge of the road). The bus stops have been 'improved' by covering the raised areas with the same tarmac which is totally out of character with the pavement that runs up to it (ie you have brick cobble style paving then a damn great stretch of black tarmac). The lamps, as has been reported extensively, have been removed and replaced with lamps that appear to have been left over from a supermarket car park scheme and the street furniture/bollards remain in a tatty state.

    It looks absolutely hideous and an older gentleman summed it up nicely with a rather un-PC comment to his wife..."Looks like the council have been fleeced by a pikey tarmac gang!". If I was whoever has paid for this I would be demanding my money back. Rather than improving the area it has made it look worse than ever.

    By Kaptain_Von at 18:15 on 03/04/10

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    It is hideous! The old gent was probably nearer the truth than he realised, it looks like it's been done on the cheap. What were they thinking?!

    And the galling thing, is in a way, we probably are the ones who have paid for this!

    By Mrs_W2009 at 19:20 on 03/04/10

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    The refurbishment is not finished yet! We still have new benches & litter bins to be installed.  The road resurfacing will take place from 19 April for 4 days when the road will be closed to traffic again.  There will then be a deep clean of the pavements as there will be a lot of dirt around after the resurfacing.  A new traffic management order will be coming in to place to restrict traffic.

    The East Street Traders Association (ESTA) is fronting a relaunch on Saturday 8 May.  At 11.00 am we will be officially re-opening the street and we have invited someone to do the honours.  The Evening Post will be running a piece shortly saying what we're doing in more detail when we have things confirmed.  It will be a great day for East Street.

    By Sidderley at 09:04 on 09/04/10

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    That's good news, I was worried that South Bristol had received another cut-price improvement. We shall see what the official re-opening brings. I will most likely be among the onlookers.

    By Kaptain_Von at 11:42 on 14/04/10

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    there are three of those shiny metal bike loops near the 'tarmac' bus stop and one of them is on the tarmac slope itself, so that if you were to chain an adult bike there some people wouldn't be able to get past it properly and would have to step off onto the road to get round it.  However unfinished the refurb is, that bike loop should be removed - there is room for it on the flat section behind the other two. It's in the wrong place right now.
    It's good to hear that the road surface will be done and that the old litter bins and cheese grater seats will be replaced. I did wonder if, as often can happen in these kind of projects, the installation of the cameras had soaked up the funds and so there was skimping on other details. I personally think the cameras are over-kill - I walk up East Street twice a week in the evening after 8.30pm and there's hardly ever another person in the street but me.
    At the moment the refurb keeps reminding me of a time when I came across a turnstyle built into a remote countryside bus stop, it was to keep the imaginary crowd of people in order when the bus finally came. It was one of the funniest sights I've ever seen.

    The bus stop outside Wilkinsons is as wide as a train platform and constructed in a range of different building materials and with a nice little step down which people might be tempted to sit on, and maybe have a drink or five?  Then when you get down to the second bus stop, you just can't help thinking the money must have run out. I saw an elderly woman waiting there the other day, and because there is no bench, she perched herself uncomfortably atop one of those attractive 'iron men' that line the edges of East Street.  That's not to say that the iron bollards aren't useful to some East Streeters - very drunk men can wend their way safely home by staggering from one bollard to the next all the way down.

    By Rebeccalight at 08:34 on 16/04/10

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    Rebecca to move the cycle rack (the metal loop) for a matter of two weeks or so and then to move it back isn't cost effective.  The tarmac bus stop will be out of use very shortly and will no longer exist so it is a waste of time and money to move the cycle racks.

    The funding for the CCTV came from a different source and some years ago now.  The funding for the refurb is not in the slightest bit altered by how many cameras they are and to cover the whole street and surrounding areas the cameras are placed strategically.  They are not just there for night time use so it's not about how many people use the street on the night.  People don't seem to be able to grasp the idea that the street is seen as a whole during both day and night - it's not two separate streets.

    There is no reason to suppose that people will sit with drinks on the bus stop when there are benches near by and in any case the police are constantly tackling the drinking that goes on in the area along with other agencies.  If you attended PACT meetings then you would know that drinking and antisocial behaviour on East Street and the surrounding area have been a PACT priority for at least the last 3 meetings (spanning a 9 month period) and a matter for great concern for a long time.

    There seems to be an awful lot of jumping to conclusions about what is going on in East Street based on what seem to be fleeting thoughts.  Find out the facts first!

    By Sidderley at 11:21 on 16/04/10

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    Sidderley,
    thank you for letting me know.  When I am able to, as a Neighbourhood Watch Coordinator, I do attend PACT meetings, and did know about the focus on drinking and anti-social behaviour focus.  And, since I wrote the above, I worked out for myself  that the second busstop must have been temporary.
    You say find out the facts first, but where might I have been able to do this at the time I was interested in the project? There was one notice on a piece of A4 paper pinned inside a noticeboard behind a badly scarred plastic cover that did give me a tiny piece of information. But it would have been good if the progress of the refurbishment had been placed somewhere strategic in the street so all passersby could know precisely what was happening. For example, I have 'supposed' that the big holes being made in side streets off East Street are for the planting of trees, but imagine that someone like Wilkinsons had notices in their window that described the ongoing process to the users of East Street, and these would be replaced when new parts of the process were underway, don't you think that this would have been a good thing?
    Perhaps then, I could ask you where the containers for recycling plastic waste have been relocated to? Mine is building up. I noticed on one of those 'moving' advert boards a reference to plastic recycling, but can't for the life of me figure out what it means. It refers to something called 'a station.' Does this mean reclycling bins are now at the central station in Bristol, or Bedminster Station, or does 'station' mean plastics recycling station, and if I'm clever enough, I'll be able to figure that out too? If not, then it'll be my fault, I guess.
    However, what is happening in East Street is good, and I don't have complaints about the physical improvements, I'm not whinging for the sake of it, but 'jumpimg to conclusions' as you phrase it,  is precisely what results from lack of imformation.

    By Rebeccalight at 08:27 on 21/05/10

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    There is absolutely no point in getting angry at me about this.  All anyone has do is to pick up the phone and ask what is going on.  The regular switchboard operators will know exactly who to put you through to.  I'm sure the council will find your feedback invaluable.

    There have been no recycling facilities on East Street so therefore the plastic recycling you refer to must have been somewhere else.  The location of of the recycling and it's exact nature I'm sure will be revealed shortly.

    In the meantime please feel free to criticize the council but don't have a go at me just because I'm in a position to be better informed than you are.

    By Sidderley at 09:23 on 21/05/10

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    I'm not in the slightest bit angry, or having a go at you, how on earth do you deduce that from what I've written? You do appear to be informed, which was why I asked you, thinking you might know. 
    The recycling was off East Street in one of the side streets on the right as you look down from the top.  Anyhow sorry I spoke, I'll make sure I don't do it again.
    Becca.

    By Rebeccalight at 03:06 on 22/05/10

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    The tone of your post is angry which is why I deduced anger. Your comments appeared to be in reply to my post which is why I deduced you were using me to vent your anger instead of a more appropriate person.

    If you'd like me to answer a question, assuming that I can, politeness works wonders.

    You should be aware that this forum serves a small area and that people on here know you whether or not you recognize them and therefore it's wise to think before you write.  It's very easy for people to get the wrong impression about someone.

    I had thought that this was a civilized forum with discussion amongst adults.  I do hope I'm not being proved wrong.

    (n.b. I was going to say this in a private message but the system doesn't seem to allow it unless we have become "friends")

    By Sidderley at 09:25 on 22/05/10

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    I think the improvements are shaping up nicely. It can't be expected to look amazing from the get-go and people like MrsW should have a bit of trust and patience while the works continue. If you've got a question, put it on here and hopefully someone will know the answer.

    Having said that, I can understand why people panic and jump to the wrong conclusions. There have been some awful decisions made affecting South Bristol over the years, but generally they have been imposed from the top-down, with no real local consultation. Whereas the East Street renovations appear to have been initiated by ESTA from the articles and comments I've read on this forum.

    From what I've seen, I'm looking forward to a tree-lined street, a nice environment for everyone to do a bit of shopping and socialising.

    With the focus from PACT meetings the police are working on the street drinking situation and a sustained effort is what is needed there.

    In the months and years to come, I'm sure it will look very good and become a much more pleasant place to visit during the day and evening. ESTA deserve praise and support for their efforts. It must have taken a lot of hard work and time on the part of people who are presumably pretty busy already!

    By Gambit72 at 15:33 on 24/05/10

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    So why do the council spend money on "improvements" on East Street and tackling anti-social behaviour and then consider a proposal for a massage parlour at the top of East Street at 1a British Road, a house on a residential road! Right opposite an already rowdy pub on a street where families and children live?
    See the link below and object this plan by tomorrow (Weds 5th Jan) if you care about the East Street community

    http://tinyurl.com/3727hbg

    By shalamar7 at 20:39 on 04/01/11

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    Good point Shalamar7! Hopefully they'll be consistent with the aim of improving the local environment, support the community and refuse the proposal. Otherwise that's money they may as well of burnt.

    By Mrs_W2009 at 22:19 on 05/01/11

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    i posted lots of stuff on this board but the stupidity of the login/website design has yet again deleted what i have said :-/ (what do you expect from murdock)

    the thrust for me is this, (after studying east street last year for a social science essay) bedmo was fast becoming a waste ground where only the poorest people attended , where the street furnisher and design were become a hindrance rather than a benefit ..

    now though , and i think its due to the liberal council, we have many more bins, not just in east street but bedminster as a whole, there is significantly less rubbish, less cars travelling at lower speeds has resulted in more bikes and pedestrians, there are more people of varying types unlike that of a few years a go when it was coined as 'retard central' as one youth put it to me..

    significantly less beer heads and a definite rise in families using the local pubs (jd springs to mind) as restaurants or as social meeting places, not always associated with alcohol.

    to complain about the tarmac is a lemon excuse to have a dig at the local council imo.. there is nothing wrong with the tarmac, it was never supposed to look like it was painted on by Rembrandt , its tarmac for jebus sakes.

    on the whole Bedminster is moving up again (but would love to see less dog**** on the paths)


    wes

    p.s they were swindled by a road repair gang, parson street last year. lols

    By angrygardener at 14:42 on 10/01/11

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